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  you have become the thing you hated.

  by TheJigsUp in

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  i was reading a thread on here the other day, and it occured to me.

  the very thing i have claimed in the title.. reading you all bickering over a certain subject.

  i assumed that some of you are only here to genuinely to create arguments, and i saw that some are genuinely lost and some of you dont believe they are lost but they are.. i saw you judging your fellow posters as if you knew something, but truth be told none of us do.

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  Murray Smith

  TheJigsUp . . . Respectfully,

  You started your thread saying . . . i saw you judging your fellow posters as if you knew something

  You then went on to say . . .

  these truly are not things any of you UNDERSTAND.

  you are all a bunch of beginners

  you know and understand very litle of the mathematics that make up our surroundings.

  you are worse than that which you came from.

  you're all a bunch of eegits if you give little credence to all of this.

  Sounds like your judging your fellow posters to me . . .

  You also said . . . you have irritated me in reading your put downs upon each other

  Then you went on to say to other posters . . .

  three syllables... nice one sooner.

  hahaha i dont care nomad.. do and say what you like.. i dont care..

  and nomad i'm not attacking freedom of speech, tho i personally think you are just a troll..

  They sound like put downs to me . . .

  Then you went on to say . . . some of you are only here to genuinely to create arguments

  im drunk, i said my piece, im done...

  you dont like it? thats cool..

  and im sick of reading this shit.

  Seems like all you've managed to do is create an argument to me

  Then you went on to say . . . i wonder how many posts are needed to undo a peace provoking post.

  Just one . . . the first one . . . it seems to me.

  Unfortunately you have undone your purpose (which was laudible) by falling into the exact same trap you accuse EVERYBODY else of in my humble opinion . . .

  Perhaps you should wait until your sober before your post . . . lest you "become the thing you hate" . . . just a thought.

  Luvonyall - MS
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  new to your hellbound apostate site

  by lil princess in

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  i recently came to my senses and disassociated myself.

  i am in a wierd place mentally.

  i am a bit dissillusioned with what i have been taught and common sense.

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  Welcome lil princess . . . you've arrived at a good place . . . hang around and all will come good.

  Luvonyall - MS
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  State your "epiphany moment " for leaving the WT

  by caliber in

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  i have found some powerful reinforcements when people have stated their " epiphany moment "... please share some.. my turning pointing began when i was badly hurt by a person i had always viewed as a literal brother.

  i realized that if his.

  love was conditional.... if it was the case with him , then how about those i had less affection for and trust in ?.

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  Murray Smith

  I was conducting a study with a truly wonderful young man called Tim. Tim was the son of a baptised witness and had left home. I'll tell you a bit about him. My own eldest son was by now about 14. Most of the other youths in the congregation were a few years older and he found it a real struggle to be included. He was also struggling with bullying at school for his status as a witness and felt very lonely at times. Tim would have none of that. Even though he was a couple of years older, he made a point of making sure my son was always included. They spent a good amount of time together, skateboarding, surfing, listening to and playing music together.

  This kid was a wonderful guitar player . . . in fact he was extremely talented at many things, but had an incredible modesty to go with it. In his last year at school he was asked at short notice to stand in for the lead role in a musical the school was producing. The original boy had broken his leg. Although Tim was not even taking drama or music at school, he cheerfully agreed and went to work. He absolutely stole the show! His incredible talent shone through (he had a lovely voice) and many local media reviews richly praised his performance. Tim's reaction was genuine embarrassment. I recall him saying . . . "everyone else worked so much harder than me . . . they deserve the praise".

  Well anyway, he along with a number of others his age, had applied for baptism. They had all been approved (including his two flatmates) although Tim was contacted the night before the assembly and told his approval had been withdrawn!! I couldn't believe it! . . . none of the other Elders had so much as said a word to me (his study conductor) about the matter. tim was totally devastated. He had taken a shine to another teenage girl in the congregation who was already baptised . . . in fact he was head over heels in love. I had spoken about this with him and given him the appropriate cautions. Most in the congregation got wind however (suprise suprise) and he was given a hard time by some. I knew he was struggling but never suspected how hurt he had become. One Monday morning he went out to his garage and hung himself. He had carefully measured the rope to just above the floor and had curled himself into a ball and slid off the roof of his "project car" that he so loved, thus dying instantly.

  The loss we felt (especially my son) was profound. I have to be honest, my tears are flowing freely now. He was such a fine young man . . . with a heart of pure gold . . . such a waste. I was notified soon after he was discovered by his flatmate later that afternoon and immediately went round. The police were there as were a couple of Elders. As I walked up the path, the PO approached me and immediately said . . . "This has nothing to do with the Elders you know" . . . I was speechless for a moment while I tried to absorb what he had just said . . . after a few uncomfortable seconds had passed I felt an irrepressible flare of anger and replied simply . . . "What are you doing here then? . . . he's not a witness". He left the scene soon after, but the comment I made was to have future consequences for me. Incidentally, I later learned that our PO (a spiteful individual along with his wife), and our then CO, had a long time grudge against Tim's father (a solicitor) over some doctrinal argument.

  My exit wasn't immediate (believe it or not) but the nightmare had begun.

  Luvonyall - MS
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  New Believers, Studying.

  by cupcakekourtney88 in

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  hey y'all!

  my name is kourtney and i am new to this form and jehovah witnesses.

  right now i am studying the book "what does the bible really teach".

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  Murray Smith

  She has an 88 on the end of her user name mrsj . . . maybe 22-23? . . . maybe not . . . young is what she is though.
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  Two elders are coming to visit at my invitation.

  by Wasanelder Once in

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  the elders have been spreading lies about me to jw friends and they are panicked.

  they don't know what to make of it.

  i've never given them reason to doubt my faithfulness or to make them think i talk against the organization.

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  Was . . . this sounds a little ominous . . . they must be on to you somehow . . . be ready for anything, as they will be prepared somehow. I can't help the feeling things aren't gonna be quite the same anymore whatever happens . . . good luck and do keep us posted.

  Luvonyall - MS
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  We Give/Gave Up So Much Over This Thing

  by OnTheWayOut in

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  i think of a reporter that breaks a huge story about some corruption in the government who won't reveal his source of information.

  the government uses anti-terrorist laws against that reporter to try to force him to speak.

  the laws are designed to protect the people and are used in a warped way to protect the government and allow it to hide it's corruption.

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  Murray Smith

  Nice post OTWO . . . and I agree with the sentiments. Meeting the posters I have come to know and love here, would be a great day . . . of that I'm sure. Seeing people in person could only add to the sentimental attachment that comes from a shared experience of such intensity.

  Perhaps I could add this thought . . . before we became JW's we were all very different people. For those born in that difference was stifled to a huge degree as it was with the converts. What we now experience is that individuality with all it's variety has been returned to us! And we should all rejoice in that! We were once prisoners together and we're now free together! To lack good manners and respect . . . and to become impatient with one another, is a mis-use of our new freedom.

  Luvonyall - MS
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  People can be so wonderful !

  by exwhyzee in

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  from me, to you all....... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn8ckwdosje.

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  Murray Smith

  Hey everybody do you feel there is something but you know in a moment it is gone

  I live for the day when I can hear people saying that they know and they care for everyone

  - Little River Band

  Luvonyall (and hugs) - MS
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  Well it's time for me to say goodbye!

  by sabastious in

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  my priorities in my life have recently changed fundamentally.

  i have always, deep down, felt a yearning for the circus.

  my teachers growing up would always catch me doodling picutres of the circus with me in them being a jolly circus laborer.

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  New Believers, Studying.

  by cupcakekourtney88 in

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  hey y'all!

  my name is kourtney and i am new to this form and jehovah witnesses.

  right now i am studying the book "what does the bible really teach".

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  Murray Smith

  Nice to see you back Kourtney.

  With the advent of the internet age, many have access to information other than that provided by the WT society . . . this has created problems for the Society as it places them under a greater level of scrutiny. Many are feeling disillusioned by what they learn now and are less "committed" than in the past . . . nevertheless, they "hang in there" because WT belief is all they know and they don't want to "miss out". Leaving is also a huge challenge.

  Notable also, is the Society's response to this threat. At first, internet usage was discouraged generally. Now things have progressed to the Society utilising the internet, but endeavouring to restrict the B's and S's to using their site(s) only. This is patently obvious through recent articles frowning on "researching" using the internet, and witnesses having facebook pages.

  It could be on account of the above points that your Mum and Sister are responding as they are.

  My experience (25 yrs in), is that the decision to withdraw from this religion is often a "last resort" action . . . the final act as it were. This is on account of the fact that to do so comes at a very high price. Many of us "held on" for long periods of time in spite of knowing it was wrong.

  You're doing the right thing . . . looking at all sides of the issues . . . just keep doing that . . . "make sure of all things"

  Luvonyall - MS
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  New Believers, Studying.

  by cupcakekourtney88 in

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  hey y'all!

  my name is kourtney and i am new to this form and jehovah witnesses.

  right now i am studying the book "what does the bible really teach".

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  Murray Smith

  Kourtney . . . I'm interested in your expression . . .

  However far God wants me to go I'll go.

  How will you know this?

  How will you know when he wants you to go no further?

  How do you know he wants you to go there at all?

  How do you know the people here, as an ever increasing group, aren't actually giving you God's warning to go no further?

  I'm not challenging you . . . I really am interested as to how this will become known to you.

  Luvonyall - MS